I made a call
I normally don't make with KJ suited once, even though the
odds and the implied odds told me otherwise.
The small blind
raised after I was the forth player to limp into this six
player pot and everyone called him, making 12 total before
the flop. He bet out on the flop and the BB, player3 and
4 both called while player5 folded. Since I only had to
put 1 bet in out of the 16 bets already in the pot to catch
running spades or a straight, I called. My 1/17th of the
pot call was only 5.88% of the pot. So it was even mathematically
correct as well.
| Player3 |
Player4 |
Player5 |
Player6(Me) |
Fold |
| BB |
SM |
DEALER |
Fold |
Fold |
But on the Turn
when the queen hit, the raiser bet again, the BB called,
player3 called, but player4 raised and was now ready to
muck my hand since I only had four outs to win which is
only 8.70% vs. putting in 4 more small bets making the pot
have 31 small bets total. Four bet out of 31 is 12.9%, way
too high for me to call. Even using implied odds by assuming
the original raiser will call the raise and maybe one other
player putting 35 bets in the pot, I still only get 4/35
= 11.43%, and can't call.
So why did I
call? There is a raise on the Turn before it gets to me
and there is an Ace on the board and I have KJ, anyone would
fold this right?
But....what if
no one was dealt a 10? By the action you see people obviously
have an Ace in their hand, the Turn raiser might have AQ
or a set, the other players left in must have had something
on the Flop. Also from watching these players for hours
I noticed that they didn't limp in with Ace-Ten. If the
BB had Ace-Ten he would have raised on the flop. When I
called the Turn raise everyone folded except for me and
player4. So the only thing the others could have had were
3 to a flush or weak Aces or the SM trying to bluff with
KK. I made a guesstimate that no one was dealt a 10. So
I was really only guessing with the few players who folded
pre-flop.
If no one was
dealt a 10 my odds on those four outs are not 8.7% anymore.
That number is based on not knowing who was dealt what which
is why you divide 4 into (52 - Flop- Turn-Your Hand) = 4/46
= 8.7%.
But if we subtract
off 8 other players who were dealt 2 cards each we can take
another 16 cards away from the deck and now only have 30
left. Four out of 30 is much higher than 8.7%, in fact it's
13.33%, which is higher than the 11.43% needed to call!